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Janjo Williams Junior

Nyango Ekosso,

I will keep this short and straight to the point. An excellent reflection on the truth and lies about Mugabe and Zimbabwe is what you have provided. Fantastic reading it made and the links were wonderfull too. Keep it up. Greetings from a Bra.

MA

Nawain:

lefam so'o!

BISONG CAVEN BISONG

If a man in omibus where to ask you to answer monosyllabically to this question:is ROBERT MUGABE a traitor or/and a patroit?What shalL be your answer

Shona Man

True indeed. There are white lies and black victims involved in the whole land expropriation issue. However, there is a big caveat; the land grab started off as a tool for political retaliation and was carried out in a most chaotic and violent manner in order to punish the white farmers.

If Mugabe was really concerned about land distribution, he could have done it in an organized manner within the framework of the Zimbabwean state institutions and with the direct implication of security forces to facilitate the transition rather than to goard the black squatters into violence. That didn't happen.

Many of these farms lie in ruins today (yes, they do) not because black people can't handle 'civilized farming" but because the land grab took place without any consideration for the competence of those who were being allowed to take over the farms, or about the sustainability of the said farms.

Zimbabwe needed and still needs a viable land distribution policy, but not the political land grab of Mugabe and his crew. In the end, it was the Zimbabwean economy which suffered, including those "black victims" who have been twiced victimized by this Mugabe fellow...

So is Mugabe a patriot or traitor? TRAITOR!

Eric Angu

As always, this is a very good read from Rosemary. I find thhis posting like everything else Rose writes very analytical and objective i.e. if you side with her. Mugabe is an old hand in politics, he should have been better prepered against the 'white lies'.
Rose keep up the good work

Ma Mary

I always knew that there was "another side" to this Zimbabwe land palaver. The other side was not Robert Mugabe, who mostly used this instance to stay in power. The other side are the generationally displaced black folk of Zimbabwe and the failed promises of the British. The British were supposed to provide the means to allow the white farmers to make a soft landing from land reform. That was the deal. Over 2 decades passed and the political pressures started to mount.

Robert Mugabe is a dictator, no doubt about it, but the British have no problem with dictators so long as the dictator is their "nig" - dependent on them to stay in power while giving them free rein on their resources, land and people.

Perhaps they expected the Zimbabweans to accept the status quo of white ownership of the majority of the land forever. Hey, what do we expect from the inventors of plutocratic status? The greatest British inventions:

Rolls Royce
Bentley - The poor man's Royce
Golf
The Country Club
GRA
High Tea
Queen's English - to keep the unwashed at Bay

They believe that there is such a thing as "station in life" and upstarts show incredibly bad taste by not staying within its confines. Mugabe demonstrated incredible bad taste by doing just that, and that is what this is really about from the Western perspective. That said, Mugabe is a bad ruler and managed this land reform in a disruptive and violent fashion just to keep his sick octogenarian ass in power.

lifongo VETINDE

Great posting. I couldn't agree more with Rosemary's astute and illuminating perspective. The whites were certainly not going to give up the land unless something dramatically radical was done. But I think Mugabe's approach was chaotically dramatic, mindless and recklessly opportunistic. Why do I say this? Mugabe had all the time in the world to carefully prepare the forceful eviction of the white farmers from the land they grabbed from the blacks. He could have created schools of agriculture at the secondary and university levels to train his compatriots for the eventual take over of the farms and manage them judiciously. Such students could even have done their internships on those farms. Look at the situation now. Many Zimbwabeans who took over the farms are not producing much not because they are stupid, as the whites would like us to believe, but because they were neither trained in modern large scale farming techniques nor provided the machinery to work with. Despite the nobility of giving back the land to its rightful owners, his approach was cynically opportunistic at best. All Zimbwabeans, black and white, as well as other inhabitants of the sub-region are losers in this bleak drama.

Again, I agree with all what you said Rosemary. But I strongly disagree with Mugabe's approach.

Congratulations on the creation of this blog. Keep up the good work.

Lifongo VETINDE

Dibussi Tande

As I was surfing through websites linking to Rosemary's incisive analysis on Zimbabwe, I stumbled across a heartwrenching documentary, incidentally titled "Zimbabwe: Shawdows and Lies", which shows the effect of Mugabe's (mis)rule of Zimbabwe. It is available online at:
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/zimbabwe504/video_index.html#

Lloney Monono

Please permit me to disagree here. Mugabe IS the problem in Zimbabwe. He has turned Zimbabwe from a bread basket to a basket case economically. Sure there are historical problems, but overall, I think these have been exacerbated by his corrupt misrule.

It is my view that Mugabe belongs to the crop of African leaders who must leave the scene if the continent has to make any progress at all.

Patriot or Traitor ? My vote is in the traitor camp.

Lloney

christina

You go girl! There is the need for land reform in every country in Africa and the Caribbean that suffered from white colonial rule. The world is still made up of too many Europeans who think that Africans do not think for themselves, so we ought to be grateful for them stealing land and "developing" it with our sweat. Most people of the African diaspora cheer Mugabe on, the way most Europeans cheer on Bush and Blair in their destruction of Iraq.

There is a very different perspective on events based on who you are and who your people are. The wealth resources of the world are in the developing world-land, oil and gas, minerals. The European-North American worlds still think that they can go where ever and take whatever with impunity. Mugabe is in their faces. I want him to stay there. Thabo Mbeki must join him. Castro and Chavez in Latin America are also in their faces for the same reasons. They will not let you develop along lines that suit indigenous people. What good does it do the people of one country if one quarter of its arable land is owned by a foreign company growing things for export when the poor people have to eat? Of what good is the growing of tobacco on prime agricultural land?. Can it feed small children's protien starved brains? Unless Third World leaders are willing to take back their natural resources, and manage them in a way that profits their own poeple, we cannot say that we are truly free.
Nationalization of resources must again be the norm for Africa and Latin America. It's the only way to give poor dispossessed people a fighting chance.

Sean McDermott

Some things that Africa has to learn.
1) Nationalism never works anywhere at anytime and never will. Find another way.
2) The truth sets you free. If you are not free you have not found the truth. Find it.
3) Trust no man, ever. A constitution that kicks out the leaders of government often is the only protection. No man can totally screw up a country in under 8 years. You might get the occasional 'beneficient' dictator but the gamble is too risky.
4) The State must never be bigger than the individual. If you don't matter any more, what are you going to do?

bambam

Sean, good points. I worry more about the US on that score than Zimbabwe that is muddling at the beginning of the process.

Kwensi

Sean, I agree with all the points you raised except the one about nationalism. Nationalism always works!!

America is the most nationalistic country on earth and that has worked FOR not against it thus far.
The problem we have in Africa is that we have forgotten how to be nationalistic since we fought for and obtained "political independence" in the 60s. Our elites are too busy trying to be on the good side of their minders in the West to try to get economic independence for their countries. Never mind all the talk about globalisation and global village, nationalism is alive and well in our day and age. These days politician use euphemisms like national interests and values to describe it. From the look of things African countries are not allowed to have national interests.

emmanuel asong

I will start by saying that Mugabe is a traitor.
Mugabe has been in power since 1987,yet it was only in 2000 that he realised that the whites were occupying the land wrongfully?
the whole thing was a political strategy, aimed at curbing the rise of the MDC.of Tsvangirai.
Yes,it is and was morally wrong for the a few whites to own the majority of the land.
Yes, this lands had to be returned to the africans.
But was that the only way to do it? one wonders.
The truth is, and i have been over there, the blacks do not have the capacity for mass agricultural production that the whites have, and that is why the country is suffering today,and the drought has made things worse.
The whites are not suffering.its true they made losses,but many just moved to mozambique and Angola, and even Nigeria to lease lands. Those countries are beneffitting from their expertise and are beginning to export food now.
In South Africa, land appropriation has been gradual, without causing much social tension. Madiba was not a fool.
The lancaster house agreements required britain to pay some monies, right. What pressure did 'Bob' put on the british. No, he was enjoying himself. If someone owes u money, u don't fold ur arms,you put pressure on him or her to give it to you.

Mugabe shoould have created programs to train rural farmers on mass scale agriculture.

Then he would started to gradually take some lands from the whites and make sure the are occupied by people with the capacity to operate them,obviously with the support from the government, be it technical or otherwise.

And while doing this , he would have been putting pressure on the British government to pay their dues, if possible with help of powerful friends in the international community.

Instead , see the mess he has created.That's not patriotism.

Surely, 'Bob', you know, and i believe you knew better than that, but the fear of losing power blinded your reason. Now you have become the scourge of so beautiful a country.

Asong

abdou kalkaba

Just to say for this beautiful literature... I really enjoyed and it was very instructive...
Many Thanks

Shawn Crisp

I've noticed that many of the most fervent black African supporters of land-grabs now live in European countries. I wonder how they might feel if their adopted white governments decided that the European 'native' homeless were now entitled to their property for simply being white and poor. Wouldn't sit well, would it? The land situation in Africa has to be addressed obviously, but please don't rush too quickly into judgements that inflict loss and pain on people who didn't live at the time when the problem was created.

Ma Mary

REFERENCES:
Frontline Documentary: Zimbabwe: Shadows and LIes

Shawn has a point, but we are not talking about identical situations here. There is one striking difference. Most African property owners in the West bought their property as individuals in a fair manner on the open market. In Rhodesia, Cecil Rhodes moved entire populations by force from arable land to install a relatively white farmers, turning the indigenous population effectively into serfs for the settlers.

This injustice was the course of the liberation war in Zimbabwe, and land reform had to be one of the social justice outcomes.I do not think that is in question. The problem is with the methods employed by Robert Mugabe.

Shawn's comparison would hold true if a bunch of Africans went to some place in Europe, pushed out everybody by force and intimidation and took over their property. I think the grand children of the aggrieved would have rights to claim the plundered property. As an example, descendants of holocaust victims are claiming houses and objets d'art plundered in Austria and other places.

Certain acts cry for justice across the generations.


Bryan

This is a very good piece of writting. However there are a few points that puzzel me? When white people first came to africa where blacks farming? where they growing corn or cereal? So what where they using the land for?

If they were not using the land then how can it be claimed that the land was stolen? if they were not farming then it makes sense for them to be moved because if they are not farming they do not need furtile land. this makes sense. Now all those years ago when they were moved, did they know anything about farming.... no. Its only after white people worked the land and made money that it suddenly dawned on them.

How many people who had there land "stolen" by those "evil white people" are alive today? are those "evil whites" alive today? so the black people who are taking the land today were not alive when the farms were "stolen", they were not alive when the whites turned bush into farms, they were not alive to feel the "pain" of having their land that they did not use "stolen" so really they are just plain old black people stealing farms because farms were "stolen" from their grand parents. man whites in zimbabwe were born after white rule but do blacks show them any respect.....NO. these "evil whites" did not steal anything but the black people were allowed to steal form them because they are white.

you talk about the land grabs as if they are a good thing. why dont you live in zimbabwe? Do you think the people who are going to strave this year think that the land grabs are a good thing?

Saeed Mulagata

The post by Bryan reflects a hostillity to truth and history that only could come from an American or a lying apologist for colonialism. He begins with the question How many people who had there land "stolen" by those "evil white people" are alive today? are those "evil whites" alive today? He does not wait for an answer, he arrogantly assumes that no African alive in Zimbabwe had his land stolen. Worse he presupposes the descendants of those who were dealt unjustly are not worthy of justice by having the land of their ancestors returned.

This arrogance is exceeded by this statement:
When white people first came to africa where blacks farming? where they growing corn or cereal? So what where they using the land for?

If Africans were only using their land to let monkeys poop on it who are white men to say they loose the use of it?

Finally yes Bryan, the whites who stole land and killed Africans were and are evil. Your sarcasm makes this no less true.

Patrick Gathara

The lopsided distribution of land in Zimbabwe should have been dealt with as an economic, not political, issue. After all, in the United States, approximately 3% of the population own or control 97% of privately owned land. In Kenya, only 20% of land is in privately owned and the majority of that is concentrated in the hands of a few. The question should be whether this harms the economic interests of the majority.

I accept that injustices were perpetrated against Africans during colonial times. I also accept that the white land grab was an act of thievery. But this was nothing new. Pre-colonial Africans routinely fought over and appropriated the land of their weaker neighbours (the idiocy of Bryan's comment above notwithstanding). The Maasai of Kenya believed all cattle was theirs by right and didn't hesitate to relieve their neighbours of their stocks. Romans, Huns and countless others did much the same thing in Europe. The English did it to the Irish, Scots and Welsh.

When we in Africa attained independence we were no longer small ethnic states as before. For better or worse, the white man had (dis)organised us into nation-states. Our leader's responsibilities, therefore, were no longer to a select tribal grouping but to the nation as a whole.

Land, like minerals or oil, is an economic resource that belongs to the entire nation. How best to utilise it in the interests of all should be the guiding principle of redistribution, not short term political or racial considerations.

Ma Mary

This is what Bill Fletcher, Jr, immediate past president of TransAfrica Forum, the organization started by Randall Robinson says about the matter. Robert Mugabe is a disappointment to most of us who supported the anti-colonial struggle in the 1970s.

West AFrican

I lost all trust and respect in Mugabe long ago. Those who followed the history would recall that there were two movements, ZANU and ZAPU. Mugabe was ZANU boss and ZANU had a predominantly Shona following. Then there was ZAPU, which had a predominantly Matabele base (The Joshua Nkomo people). The war with Ian Smith ended, and ZANU being the larger force took power.

There was some disatisfaction with the outcome in Matabele land. Mugabe's response was to send a North Korean trained counterinsurgency unit to the area around Bulawayo, where they committed serious atrocities. That was just months following independence.

This is an evil, ruthless player and he needs to die soon and fertilize the soil.

Vito

The whites are supposed to use violence and murder to sieze our land but we are expected to be democratic,well mannered and cultured in our bid to get it back."Who born dog?"
In my country ,there is black on black colonisation with annexationist forces "buying" our land,changing the names of our towns and employing us in plantations on our very own ancestors' soil;and today they want to sell what little's left of it to white men under the guise of privatisation.Whenever we get our independence,we're seizing back everything so whoever "buys" land in my country will have to deal with worse than Mugabe sooner or later.
ROBERT MUGABE?HERO!

jonas

A catchy title, but from another perspective (& experience) it could also be viewed ZIMBABWE: BLACK LIES, WHITE VICTIMS.
It's a good article to get a dialogue going but one comment - be cautious of bias. Your quotes and statistics reveal only one side of the massively complicated Zimbabwe issue.

We should learn from history and not re-do past mistakes. Otherwise we are moving backwards in our development as humans.
Example: Many bloggers talk of 'righting the past' with reference to the 1800's land-grab by white settlers.
Okay, we know there have been huge steps with land redistribution, but in this regard Mugabe was also quoted as saying "...the government's seizure of white-owned farms have benefited fewer than 10% of black Zimbabweans."
And yes, the whites have suffered immensely and bled as a consequence of this.
We all know (secretly) that most of the African leaders see the scenario in Zimbabwe as 'justice' - the white, oppressor is simply getting what he deserves.

So in the end, the deed is done and we need to ask ourselves what's been the benefit to the Nation as a whole? Is it the 80% unemployment and inflation of approx. 1200% or is it the life expectancy rate of approx 40 years?
Can we play the blame-game and pin this on the Colonials as well, even though it's been nearly 26 years of independence?

I have a few questions for readers:

Why are black Zimbabweans fleeing the country, while a few whites are trying to stay and build a future there?
And just who are these so-called WHITES. Are they not born and bred Zimbabweans? Can we even call them Africans?
In fact, you are just as likely to pass a 3rd generation, white Zimbabwean in the streets of Harare as you are a black Zambian for example. Which one is a true child of Zimbabwe? How would you decide, based on what aspects?

While other Zimbabwe citizens flee the chaos a few whites elect to remain (less than 1% of the population), to work towards a better future. I wonder again, why are they being victimized?
These are after all the only whites remaining in Zimbabwe, there are no others? No other bogeyman in the cupboard.
So what's with this white/ black issue?
My caution – we are here and now in the present, the past is gone. Labeling is bad and racism is racism.

By the way, my interest is in anthropology and so one final question, who were the ancient, original 'guardians' of the land within Zimbabwe territory (that is before the Shona, Matabele etc).

vito

Right;and i think the president should give some soft loans to the new and rightful owners to enable them employ the "staying on" whites as foremen and labourers.They do have much technical know how and as true and patriotic citizens,should be ready to dispense it for the development of the nation in whatever capacity.

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